tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post116544075354884811..comments2024-03-26T05:18:53.709-04:00Comments on Pen and Sword: The Iraq Study Group GropeJeff Huberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165687022712809352006-12-09T13:03:00.000-05:002006-12-09T13:03:00.000-05:00Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpf...Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People. I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic. Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:<BR/><BR/>“… Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when people’s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.”<BR/><BR/>The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will.” In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I don’t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:<BR/><BR/>‘‘’You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,’ said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. ‘That may be so,’ he replied, ‘but it is also irrelevant.’” – Harry G. Summers On Strategy<BR/><BR/>I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same “type” of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must “fight their company” against the enemy, our national leaders must “fight the nation” in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of war…, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will” to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not “perception” but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.<BR/><BR/>Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably “unequal to the task” that is at least Iraq.<BR/><BR/>(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165686964251388122006-12-09T13:02:00.000-05:002006-12-09T13:02:00.000-05:00Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpf...Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People. I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic. Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:<BR/><BR/>“… Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when people’s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.”<BR/><BR/>The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will.” In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I don’t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:<BR/><BR/>‘‘’You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,’ said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. ‘That may be so,’ he replied, ‘but it is also irrelevant.’” – Harry G. Summers On Strategy<BR/><BR/>I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same “type” of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must “fight their company” against the enemy, our national leaders must “fight the nation” in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of war…, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will” to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not “perception” but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.<BR/><BR/>Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably “unequal to the task” that is at least Iraq.<BR/><BR/>(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165686885714819432006-12-09T13:01:00.000-05:002006-12-09T13:01:00.000-05:00Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpf...Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People. I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic. Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:<BR/><BR/>“… Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when people’s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.”<BR/><BR/>The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will.” In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I don’t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:<BR/><BR/>‘‘’You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,’ said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. ‘That may be so,’ he replied, ‘but it is also irrelevant.’” – Harry G. Summers On Strategy<BR/><BR/>I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same “type” of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must “fight their company” against the enemy, our national leaders must “fight the nation” in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of war…, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will” to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not “perception” but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.<BR/><BR/>Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably “unequal to the task” that is at least Iraq.<BR/><BR/>(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165686809641227982006-12-09T13:00:00.000-05:002006-12-09T13:00:00.000-05:00Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpf...Lost in this conversation re: the ISG is any helpful discussion regarding the Will of the American People. I am not sure our leaders or the pundits fully understand this dynamic. Dominic Johnson and Dominic Tierney wrongly make the point last week in their Op-ed (New York Times November 28, 2006, OP-ED) piece that:<BR/><BR/>“… Tet and Somalia were not defeats. They were success perceived as failures. Such stark divergence between perception and reality is common in wartime, when people’s beliefs about which side wins and which loses are often driven by psychological factors that have nothing to do with events on the battlefield.”<BR/><BR/>The battlefield in the Vietnam War and in Somalia was not only on the ground where the combat units fought. It was much bigger than that. Johnson and Tierney do not seem to understand that the battlefield included the ability of our political leaders to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will.” In regard to the Vietnam War and in Somalia, we can say that our national leadership was unequal to the task and was defeated. It is not a media generated false perception but rather a grim reality that this nation must be fought (against our enemies) in a seamless universe of war that includes multiple and varied dimensions. One of these dimensions is military action. Another dimension is the commitment of the people. Both are instruments of war, both can contribute to victory and both can be subject to defeat. In combat, our leaders must lead and develop both. I don’t think our congress and executive branch have understood this. I think the Vietcong did:<BR/><BR/>‘‘’You know you never defeated us on the battlefield,’ said the American colonel. The North Vietnamese colonel pondered this remark a moment. ‘That may be so,’ he replied, ‘but it is also irrelevant.’” – Harry G. Summers On Strategy<BR/><BR/>I remember in 1976 at USMC The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, VA seeing a military instructional movie regarding communication security in the Vietnam War. According to this movie the Vietcong had developed incredible electronic warfare capability using the most humble of equipment. The movie described the apparently laxity of communication security by the US forces and the great success the communists had in compromising our communications in the most deadly ways for our soldiers and marines. If this was true than it described a dimension of war that was not given due leadership consideration at the time. I believe this same “type” of conceptual error is being made in the US war in Iraq. There are dimension(s) of this war that have not been given due consideration by the national leadership. In the same way that our company commanders must use their unit as an instrument of combat and must “fight their company” against the enemy, our national leaders must “fight the nation” in time of war. I am saying that in the universe of war there is a seamless environment composed of many dimensions. One of the dimensions is the commitment of the people. Our elected government has failed to understand this in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>The organized application of violence on the battlefield is clearly the most dramatic and traumatic component of war…, but it is not the only one. If national leadership takes this country into a war and does not have a legitimate plan to cultivate and sustain a “unified national will” to support that war than they have not done their job. It is not a problem of the press, it is a failure in leadership. Can you imagine a unit leader, leading his or her company into an attack without reconnaissance, without considering the situation, mission, execution, admin and logistics, and command and signal? This administration has done the moral and operational equivalent of this kind of unacceptable and poor performance. I am saying that it is not “perception” but reality: one of the components of war is the will of the American People. It is simultaneously a weapon against the enemy and an objective of opposing forces. If we go into war without a plan and contingency plans or if we fail to execute a plan to cultivate and sustain a unified national will we are fighting with our hands tied behind our back.<BR/><BR/>Whatever we do in Iraq at this dismal point in time, if we do not have a national leadership that cultivates and sustains with integrity, an unified national will than we can say once again, (to paraphrase Bernard B. Fall) that our elected government is accountably “unequal to the task” that is at least Iraq.<BR/><BR/>(Around Midnight at sundayschoolforsinners.blogspot.com)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165592982196396072006-12-08T10:49:00.000-05:002006-12-08T10:49:00.000-05:00Mus, Who's talking about "washing hands?" Is that...Mus, <BR/><BR/>Who's talking about "washing hands?" Is that the latest version of "cut and run" to come out of the machine? Have you actually read the report? I'm leery of some of the 79 suggestions, but overall it actually is a comprehensive plan for achieving--or trying to achieve--the stated goals of a stable and independent Iraq. <BR/><BR/>If we're going to throw the morality card, let's throw it at the people who have continued to send troops in pursuit of a plainly failed strategy and who have practiced false propaganda to convince the American public that we're "winning" in Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Martin, <BR/><BR/>I've said this before, but the enrichment condition was and is a measure that ensures diplomacy with Iran will not take place. <BR/><BR/>And feel free to flood the comments box all you want. <BR/><BR/>Best to all, <BR/><BR/>JeffJeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165562344812357302006-12-08T02:19:00.000-05:002006-12-08T02:19:00.000-05:00Btw, sorry for flooding your comments-box, but thi...Btw, sorry for flooding your comments-box, but this quote from Guardian was too good not to post...: <BR/><BR/>"..Alongside Hirohito's concession after Hiroshima - "the war has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage" - we can now add another majestic euphemism, "disappointed by the pace of success"." lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165561710780908032006-12-08T02:08:00.000-05:002006-12-08T02:08:00.000-05:00The real crazy issue is Bush refusal to even talk ...The real crazy issue is Bush refusal to even talk with Iran until they have "proved" that they are not working on an uranium enrichment-program, here even Britains Tony Blair has somehow found a spine and diverged. Iran has every reason to want a realtively stable Iraq, after all the southern half will propably be theirs in a few years time thanks to the US.<BR/><BR/>Bush reminds me of a guy stuck in a carwreck about to go up in flames calling that the people around can be allowed to help him out, but only if their hands are really really clean.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165526527294455762006-12-07T16:22:00.000-05:002006-12-07T16:22:00.000-05:00Sorry I'm so late catching up with the conversatio...Sorry I'm so late catching up with the conversation, gang. <BR/><BR/>Lurch, <BR/><BR/>I'm actually quite excited by the Mars discovery. How the creationist yahooligans try to spin it is anybody's guess, but who really cares what they say? <BR/><BR/>Martin, <BR/><BR/>Yeah, for whatever other flaws the ISG report may contain, they at least come right out and say that foreign poiicy has been conducted in a juvenile manner for the past six years. <BR/><BR/>William, <BR/><BR/>Funny how the subject changes at just the right time, huh? <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, in a sane world, the Mars water discovery would be the biggest story in the media.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165499323960400322006-12-07T08:48:00.000-05:002006-12-07T08:48:00.000-05:00Extraterrestrial problems aside, at least someone ...Extraterrestrial problems aside, at least someone has seen the president in the eye and told him what has been clear since the rape of Fallujah: The US is NOT winning the Iraqi conflict, and all earlier worst-case scenarios are now looking bleakly optimistic.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, there is a real problem in that your commander in chief seems to be clinically insane or at least in complete denial. Is insanity grounds for Impeachment? <BR/><BR/>As Sidney Blumenthal points out (http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2006/12/07/iraq/) <BR/>everything he has been doing the last weeks points to a flat out refusal to listen to daddys helpers. It will be interesting to see how Gates can perform in this administration, not least how he will corelate to Cheney who I still believe is the real evil wizard of this twisted fairytale of the doomed king.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1165456403706461252006-12-06T20:53:00.000-05:002006-12-06T20:53:00.000-05:00I think it is imperative that we wage a preemptive...I think it is imperative that we wage a preemptive "War of the Worlds" on the Martians.<BR/><BR/>After all, we're better off fighting them up there so we don't have to fight them over here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com