tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post115219853819293179..comments2024-03-26T05:18:53.709-04:00Comments on Pen and Sword: Eating Crow in the Next World OrderJeff Huberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160612947548763222006-10-11T20:29:00.000-04:002006-10-11T20:29:00.000-04:00You might want to wipe that grape colored stain of...You might want to wipe that grape colored stain off your chin before you accuse anyone else of drinking Kool Aid.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160598364430379572006-10-11T16:26:00.000-04:002006-10-11T16:26:00.000-04:00I can see your fellow koolaid drinkser are all tha...I can see your fellow koolaid drinkser are all that are welcome here. That's fine, it's your site. You aren't required to engage in any sort of discourse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160597636391744882006-10-11T16:13:00.000-04:002006-10-11T16:13:00.000-04:00No, Ron, you didn't make a substantive argument. T...No, Ron, you didn't make a substantive argument. The likes of you seldom do. <BR/><BR/>Drop the lunatic WWII comparisons, drop the "liberal" tags, come up with something truly "substantive" and we'll talk.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160594595522562112006-10-11T15:23:00.000-04:002006-10-11T15:23:00.000-04:00I love it. Typical liberal response. I made a su...I love it. Typical liberal response. I made a substantive argument that rebutted your argument. I did not attack you.<BR/><BR/>Rather than deal with anything I said, you resort to ad homenim attacks, the last refuge of those who are out of arguments. You must be so proud. Why not actually engage in debate or is that more than you planned on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160587797454549962006-10-11T13:29:00.000-04:002006-10-11T13:29:00.000-04:00Three words, Ron:You're an idiot. Go back to the m...Three words, Ron:<BR/><BR/>You're an idiot. <BR/><BR/>Go back to the mother ship and get some better talking points. <BR/><BR/>And tell your handlers the next time they want to come after me to send somebody a damn sight better than you.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1160586845915338222006-10-11T13:14:00.000-04:002006-10-11T13:14:00.000-04:00It never ceases to amaze me how you libs can blame...It never ceases to amaze me how you libs can blame Bush for every evil act around the world. Do you seriously argue that diplomacy has EVER had a chance in North Korea? And how do you deal with Clinton's North Korea policy? Was that equally a dismal failure?<BR/><BR/>The sad fact is, we cannot control every evil dictator in the world. We approach them diplomatically and do our best to resolve our differences without resorting to force. But in the end, we are sometimes faced with having to deal militarily with a hostile enemy through no fault of our own.<BR/><BR/>You analysis, if applied to WWII, would place the blame for Hitler's actions squarely on the shoulders of Great Britain. While I would argue that British appeasement certainly encouraged Hitler, I also argue that war was inevitable because Hitler was bent on world domination. No amount of diplomatic effort was ever going to change that.<BR/><BR/>Equally, we face lunatics in the Middle East and in North Korea. We must pursue diplomatic solutions but it is remarkably naive to believe that diplomatic failure results only from administration incompetence. Or perhaps it is just that you rabidly hate Bush with the foreseeable result that you are incapable of unbiased analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152497809036762962006-07-09T22:16:00.000-04:002006-07-09T22:16:00.000-04:00The U.S. has a huge ownership of everything that i...The U.S. has a huge ownership of everything that is wrong in the Middle East. We supported Saddam against Iran and the Taliban/Al-Qiada against the Russians. We have a lot of responsibility for the environment that exists. Jeff's orphanage analogy is right on. We need to oversdose on crow.fallenmonkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652766170343957948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152370121138129692006-07-08T10:48:00.000-04:002006-07-08T10:48:00.000-04:00the removal of Bush-Cheney would be the best thing...the removal of Bush-Cheney would be the best thing for humanity that could possibly happen.<BR/><BR/>Followed by a declaration that corporations have NO civil rights atal and that HUMANS are the only "persons' with liberties and rights.<BR/><BR/>FUCK corporations.<BR/><BR/>Then...all drugs need to be legalized so that the international banking system can wean itself off illegal drug money.<BR/><BR/>Then...CONGRESS ( an all new one with 535 new members (get rid of ALL OF THEM)) needs to REIN IN BANKS AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS by capping interest on lending and repealing the lifetime debtors act (otherwise known as the "Bankruptcy Reform Bill"<BR/><BR/>THe Patriot ACT must be repealed and the system of constitutional law and order RESTORED.<BR/><BR/>But none of that is gonna happen because der shrubenfuherer ain't leavin office in 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152284935640574052006-07-07T11:08:00.000-04:002006-07-07T11:08:00.000-04:00No, my question was not disingenuous; I asked it i...No, my question was not disingenuous; I asked it in all sincerity. However, it was unclear.<BR/><BR/>By "good" I am referring to a good outcome for the USA, which after all, is the purported reason for our actions throughout this mess. The removal of Saddam and elimination of Zarqawi is probably "good" for the Iraqis, but they’ve paid an intensely steep cost for it, and had no say in the matter, not a trivial detail given that they're a sovereign state. <BR/><BR/>But when has the Bush administration claimed that our Iraq adventure was done for the good of the Iraqis? Only in hindsight, when WMDs morphed into "freedom on the march." Now that is something that reeks of disingenuousness, and in fact, defines it!<BR/><BR/>Do the ends justify the means? Can we justify all the Bush lies that got us into Iraq by pointing to our wee bit of success there (I'm sure we must have painted at least one school) in spite of all the death, destruction, ill will and terrorism that we have spawned by our actions? Gad, what an unbalanced equation!Kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878555258969493722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152284621469516182006-07-07T11:03:00.000-04:002006-07-07T11:03:00.000-04:00Analogies are seldom if ever perfect. Using your ...Analogies are seldom if ever perfect. Using your scenario as an analog of Iraq, I'd say if we started the fire, should we be patting ourselves on the back because we pulled one kid out of it? <BR/><BR/>Can we use that as justification for setting the fire?Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152281539434457092006-07-07T10:12:00.000-04:002006-07-07T10:12:00.000-04:00Well, I still ask whether a good that wasn't worth...Well, I still ask whether a good that wasn't worth the cost is really a good, especially in the case where it's being cited as a justification for the war. <BR/><BR/>The good news: I lost 35 pounds. <BR/><BR/>The bad news: it was my right leg.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152280978666800182006-07-07T10:02:00.000-04:002006-07-07T10:02:00.000-04:00If you get fresh flowers and candies every day and...If you get fresh flowers and candies every day and then get the shit beaten out of you, are those flowers and candies good? Or is it really the case that you have to take the whole situation into consideration when you talk about good or bad.<BR/><BR/>One thing I don't understand is how people think that Americans can fight for the Iraqi's while we're waiting for them to "stand up". Who fought for America against the British? Did the Ottoman Empire invade America, and help us defeat the British? No, it was Americans fighting for America, plain and simple. American blood was spilled willingly by Americans to ensure a free and prosperous future. Why does anyone think that Iraq is any different? <BR/><BR/>The Iraqi army is never going to stand up while our forces are there. To fight with the Americans is to be seen as collaborators, which many are loathe to do. They are in the army for money, not loyalty.<BR/><BR/>This whole boondogle is like an investment gone wrong. The stock price keeps falling because the fundamentals are all wrong. But look! They got new offices! They have a new "strategy"! If the business is fundamentally flawed, then none of that is going to prevent its failure. A wise investor cuts her losses and moves on to the next investment opportunity, for which I have a great idea....<BR/><BR/>...how about the United States of America?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152278865565523252006-07-07T09:27:00.000-04:002006-07-07T09:27:00.000-04:00The question is whether any of these "goods" are g...The question is whether any of these "goods" are good enough to offset the unintended bad consequences. <BR/><BR/>I'd say the answer is a resounding "no." <BR/><BR/>And in that case, can any of the "goods" really be considered good?Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152238505868494862006-07-06T22:15:00.000-04:002006-07-06T22:15:00.000-04:00Yes, Anonymous, "colossal train wrecks" sounds abo...Yes, Anonymous, "colossal train wrecks" sounds about right to me too, but perhaps you could name one single <B>good</B> outcome from our overseas (mis)adventure? Just one? <BR/><BR/>And please, don't reply with the "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" nonsense - because that "strategy" merely leaves our borders porous beyond belief, provides more than ample genesis for the creation of MORE terrorists, and drains the treasury well beyond empty. <BR/><BR/>It appears we learned absolutely nothing from the Soviet Union's misadventures in Afghanistan, not to mention our own Vietnam debacle. But learning isn't really the issue, is it, in a regime ruled by wishful thinking and pure fantasmagoria?Kathleenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878555258969493722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152225519007181782006-07-06T18:38:00.000-04:002006-07-06T18:38:00.000-04:00I have a superb idea of what's going on in the war...I have a superb idea of what's going on in the war on terror. Incidents of terror have increased since we invaded Iraq. <BR/><BR/>Did you not know that?Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152218943286888992006-07-06T16:49:00.000-04:002006-07-06T16:49:00.000-04:00For someone with such a distinguished military car...For someone with such a distinguished military career you are clueless on what is going on with the war on terror. Colossal train wrecks? Are you serious?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152203334586498932006-07-06T12:28:00.000-04:002006-07-06T12:28:00.000-04:00It's a zoo with all the cages open.It's a zoo with all the cages open.Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1152202148895529612006-07-06T12:09:00.000-04:002006-07-06T12:09:00.000-04:00The report in yesterday's NYT about ground truth i...The report in yesterday's NYT about ground truth in Ramadi says it all -- we are getting ready to level a significant section of the city to create a "Green Zone".<BR/><BR/>Looks like we've finally arrived at the metaphysical Destroying The Village To Save It moment in Iraq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com