tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post111953374363189092..comments2024-03-26T05:18:53.709-04:00Comments on Pen and Sword: I'm Sorry He's SorryJeff Huberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119572071822252302005-06-23T20:14:00.000-04:002005-06-23T20:14:00.000-04:00An angry mob is an ugly ting. But I tink it's abo...An angry mob is an ugly ting. But I tink it's about time ve had vun. <BR/><BR/>To ze voodshed!Jeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119561699240065362005-06-23T17:21:00.000-04:002005-06-23T17:21:00.000-04:00Scott, I can't find the link right now but here's ...Scott, I can't find the link right now but here's what I think was Sanchez' "loophole"--a US Senate advise and consent clause to the UN convention:<BR/><BR/>(1) That the United States considers itself bound by the obligation under article 16 to prevent `cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment', only insofar as the term `cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment' means the cruel, unusual and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and/or Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.<BR/><BR/>This is where I think the decision to put the dudes in Gitmo came from--in Gitmo, those amendments don't apply. <BR/><BR/>?<BR/><BR/>JeffJeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119544115490330602005-06-23T12:28:00.000-04:002005-06-23T12:28:00.000-04:00Me too. If you don't catch it on the BBS, here's ...Me too. If you don't catch it on the BBS, here's the UN convention on torture, degradation, etc. <BR/><BR/>http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/h2catoc.htmJeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119542275337945562005-06-23T11:57:00.000-04:002005-06-23T11:57:00.000-04:00Thanks again for stopping by and posting again, Sc...Thanks again for stopping by and posting again, Scott. It's been ten years since I studies the GC, but what Durbin said pretty much rings true. Uniformed combatants get treatment that guerilla types aren't entitled to--much of it involves standard military courtesies. But it doesn't allow for complete absence of law for other sorts of detainees. <BR/><BR/>It gets murky, though, when you pick through which provisions we signed on to and which ones we didn't. <BR/><BR/>I'll look around and see what I can find on the web. <BR/><BR/>JeffJeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119540405511204272005-06-23T11:26:00.000-04:002005-06-23T11:26:00.000-04:00Thanks for stopping by, Doug. I'll appreciate you...Thanks for stopping by, Doug. I'll appreciate you adding my link whenever you can get around to it. <BR/><BR/>The most crucial thing we have to face now, in my opinion, is this business of so much power in the executive branch that it's become a law unto itself, because that is precisely what's counter to the American way of life. If we sit by passively and let it continue, UBL and the rest of them will have won. <BR/><BR/>JeffJeff Huberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14146644937683409726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12796551.post-1119539857374332402005-06-23T11:17:00.000-04:002005-06-23T11:17:00.000-04:00But the comparisons were apt. It's a slippery slop...But the comparisons were apt. It's a slippery slope out there and we're on a toboggan. <BR/><BR/>Problem is, America isn't ready to look itself in the mirror.<BR/><BR/>I keep forgetting to add you to my links, Jeff. (Kickin' myself)<BR/><BR/>BestDouglas Hoffmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17554788570160506080noreply@blogger.com